You may feel stressed out about something together or in the relationship, and need to work on this. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence He literally proposed to me the night we met. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? I will look into it. !! . The Chiron return often coincides. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! We feel that very beautiful in our life! Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. Thank you for this article. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. Sun conj. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. Your email address will not be published. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Mine is conjunct with his moon. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Chiron in 12th House wound is also related to spirituality and belief systems. The ego thing is very true. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. the 12th house the asteroid Juno Chiron Aspects between these features of the chart reveal a lot of information about your relationship. When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. And what does it mean our 12th. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. We both have natal moon in house 12. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). This might lead to a sense of belonging and having a lot of things in common. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. Hi! I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Chiron in the houses will show where your sign is expressed, including the location, the part of the psyche, the timeline, etc. Another spin given to the 12th house . Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. . What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. intresting to know why its so bad. Youre writing is inspired. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Well it is a living hell right now! All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. how this would manifest? Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. Anything different there? Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Please your opinion. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Is there nothing better to hope for? Note that composite Venus (12th house) is trine Jupiter/Cupido by implication through its trine with Ceres at 29 Libra. Together we share a Mars 12th. We fall, and find the world. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. scares me a bit. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I also have problems with communication in general, I tend to . Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. Thank You so much for Your answer! . Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Just a knowing if you will. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Whitelotus. You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Separation from the Source may lead to existential pain. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? We have had such a difficult relationship. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. AT ALL. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. You have nailed my experience. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. I need help! Saturn and Pluto also play their part. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) what can we do here? I was heart broken all over again. Most of it is illusions I know.. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. So to me, it's all about commitment issues. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. Chiron In 1st House, Chiron In First House Meaning; Sun In 1st House, Sun In First . What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Ego issues in relationship. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . As someone with Chiron placed in 12th House, spirituality shapes your identity through isolation and imagination. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. Something is whispering in their ears. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. This is brilliant and compassionate. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. Any advice would be helpful. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . let go or fight for it? His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. This resonates with me. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. I am NOT usually like this. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). Thank you SO very much for this post. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. But thank you for helping me face reality. And what does it mean our 12th. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. He knows me better than I know myself at times. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. You explain the ineffable. venus+mars, etc. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Useful Chiron in 12th House Crystals Jasper Malachite Professional Readings 2023 Yearly 30 Minute Astrology Report Recent Articles Ceres Aspects Lilith Aspects Juno in Houses Ceres in Houses Lilith in Houses Astrological Events New Moon in Taurus Increasing pleasures May 19 2023 Jupiter in Taurus Productive Growth I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. In the ninth house, it may indicate some crisis to do with spiritual teaching. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. Thank you very much Dawn. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. Hey Dawn! The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life.
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